I think I can call myself an authority. I'll take your word for it. That version of Fate would defeat DS no question. This version of Fate is also possessed by the essence of Nabu in the helmet whenever he dons it. no mention of the Helm "giving" powers did it. he had all those powers before the Helm was given him. Gender: Male Location: United States. Darkseid vs Dr. You don't have the scan here, but on the next page, Linda shatters the hand. Darkseid & Thanos @Bane333 LMFAO, Thanos cucked the in-betweener, Tanked a blast that could kill the entire NEXUS OF ALL REALITIES, escaped the god quarry and ABSORB it's power, the god Quarry created INFINITE infinity stones, each being it's own concept, Thanos tanked blasts that killed off all of marvel including ETERNITY and INFINITY, outsmarted GALACTUS moving galactus to his fate Random encounter, no knowledge, no outside help. Linda hits Darkseid and knocks him over. I'd love to say it was anything but because I had DS and am a Fate fanboy but the facts are the facts. Darkseid was formerly known as Uxas, … To face an alliance between a Lord of chaos Vaneamon and a Lord of Order Ynar Classic Fate merged with his host's wife Inza. the level of power a mortal can use without a talisman in DC is always limited. jesserw21 Senior Member. Some of those. I don't really see the relevance, to be honest. Darkseid and Dr Fate have already fought. Darkseid & Thanos @Bane333 LMFAO, Thanos cucked the in-betweener, Tanked a blast that could kill the entire NEXUS OF ALL REALITIES, escaped the god quarry and ABSORB it's power, the god Quarry created INFINITE infinity stones, each being it's own concept, Thanos tanked blasts that killed off all of marvel including ETERNITY and INFINITY, outsmarted GALACTUS moving galactus to his fate Their peak feats solo match those of Inza, and of Hector. Extrapolation is fine as long as evidence is provided, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. ). So he used to need the helmet but has learned to go it without. Going by what you're saying, it seems like this would only be true of the Silver Age Nelson, and the post-crisis incarnation is actually much more puny than most people probably think. The Presence was the only thing preventing the Spectre from killing Darkseid; had it not been around to regenerate Darkseid, Spectre would have killed him right there. Strange Vs. Darkseid. It was ended when Green Arrow put an arrow through the book of power of the ancient mage. The two of them together access the same power to exact levels Kent V does and between them at that point had several times the experience he has. I would lean towards Darksied but I would love to hear some experienced opinion's on this one. After that his appearances are limited ( to my knowledge) to Reign in Hell (where he really only had two fights of substance) and in Justice Society of America from issue 30, in which he only really played a part in few arks. Fate is weaker than Desaad. The 1st. You are indeed where you belong. If stalemating Desaad and being hard-pressed by perhaps 2 dozen parademons is really a legitimate showing for these Fates, and Nelson is weaker, then I am inclined to think Darkseid would completely slaughter-stomp him in a random encounter. Your comments on Nabu vs. Spectre were at the beginning of your post. The book is in NM- 9.2 condition. Darkseid can easily defeat Dr Fate. 2) The scans of Darkseid addressing the Lords of Chaos and Order are from the same story arc as the Fates, so if you're going to insist it was Desaad who fought the Dr's, then it was also Desaad who spoke on equal terms with the Lords of C&O, not Darkseid. It's from the previous issue, and actually, that blast knocked him over as well. Cookies help us deliver our Services. NO, that was what I was also trying to say about the statement of Nabu ( .i.e it's irrelevant ). The exact words are "half a Fate... at half power...". The real Darkseid has dictated terms to the combined Lords of Order and Chaos (of which Fate is but 1). The first one is Linda firing at DS and missing then him almost hitting her and her finally tagging him. Did not always seem to play out that way in practice though. Animated Series: Justice League. Frankly, the Parademons did far more damage to the Fates and presented a far greater threat than Desaad did. he also had the ability to do minor spells and levitate things. Rounds end in death or incapacitation, No BFR. How, exactly? I suggest you look at the scans again. Again, I can't really speak to how accurate this assumption is. Tough fight but leaning towards Darkseid. Magic isn’t a weakness for Superman, anymore than it’s a weakness for Doctor Fate. Fate - Respect thread. I was simply pointing out that taking a,b,c logic like that you could also show that Spec' couldn't kill DS but he could kill Nabu. So basically he is a wizard older than than universe itself. In fact with her time in the merged Fate and access to the entity that is fate she was vastly more experienced. I think he'd be found wanting. 3) That part is irrelevant anyway; Adam Warlock has told Eternity to "begone" to his face... does that mean Adam Warlock is on Eternity's level? Fate in sort of the same way that Hal Jordan is viewed as being the quintessential Green Lantern (I'm assuming that's the only reason the OP chose him for this battle, because I really can't see the sense of deliberately choosing a weak version of a character to fight someone like Darkseid). he had both Fates at his mercy at the end of that issue and they pulled off a win through a plot device of making him feel love and mercy. I've never heard anyone use that as an argument to imply a certain level of power for him. The page before the first scan as i recall she actually hit him from behind with a full blast and it did nothing. Who will win in a fight between Doctor Strange (Classic) & Doctor Fate and Trigon & Darkseid? DP's healing is a big advantage but DS is usually a much better fighter. Doctor Strange (Classic) & Doctor Fate vs Darkseid & Thanos # Doctor Strange (Classic) & Doctor Fate He destroyed the in-betweener, beat Eternity and became one with him, he could Handel zom when zom was waaay above Dormammu, he deflected a … BTW, king saturn, that's the best AV ever. I can't really speak to the accuracy of the comparison. Personally, I think the simplest response to that issue is that Nabu =/= Fate. Erik gets shot once, but that just gets him to Apokolips, and he was severely ill anyway. So yes the merged Fate is more powerful with access to more sources of energy. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Gallery 4 Others 5 Discussions Darkseid is one of the most powerful New Gods and the tyrannical ruler of Apokolips, an archetypal world beyond the boundaries of time and space. For most of JSA he was only in cameo's and he really didn't make much of a splash. Didn't Nabu go the distance for a while with Spectre? he can unleash an assault on a level that Dr Fate would need to build up to or entreat others to achieve. Pre COIE it was a thing in DC that a mage couldn't use a host and work magic unless the host could work magic. Even before the plot device, it was more of a stalemate. Just about everything you mentioned was addressed. Dr. Yeah, dude as I was saying earlier I never said Fate would win, just perhaps give him a rough time for a while. @Freefa11: Didn't realize it was Nelson,thought it was just Fate. Could go either way with a slight edge to the LT. Battle 7. He isn't a merged Fate and has never had access to more power than that which Linda did in this issue. What you are saying here looks like there is little evidence to back up those ideas, or maybe they've got him mixed up with a different Dr. Superman. Email to friends Share on Facebook - opens in a new window or tab Share on Twitter - opens in a new window or tab Share on Pinterest - … I do think if Spectre wasn't jobbing and went all out, he could deal with Darkseid if not kill him. There was a perfect example of this in one of Felix Faust early appearances. To get the real answer to the question @AtPhantom would be the one to ask. Seriously if we want to talk feats for Kent V Nelson Dr fate vs Darkseid it becomes a slaughter stomp. There are possibly five showings of "classic Fate" that could be considered higher if you exclude the merged Kent Inza ( which is where the whole concept of Erik Linda came from). Doctor Fate was far older than he appeared. I still can't describe how pissed off I am that the booted Fate to Earth 2. Round 3: New52, in-character. 5) The biggest problem is that Darkseid/Desaad did not defeat them anyway. As a fan of Dr Fate not Darkseid most of the scans i have saved are to show him looking good (which is the way I usually use them). Never said she hurt him. Erik wasn't Dying ( he lived for quite some time afterward, and was rebirthed into a new magical life form to save humanity at the end of the Straus Run), Linda was no less a neophyte than Kent V has been in every showing he's had. King Kandy. Superman went off to fight the demon and was given a magic charm by Inza, who lamented that although she was willi… 4) The male Dr. That's right Desaad was the doppelganger. Final Crisis (amongst other things) pretty thoroughly disproved the idea that Darkseid is "needed" in the universe. It says nothing at all about her being at half power only that she is the other half of Fate. Seems like that happens to a lot of magic characters. ... 25 Darkseid (DC) Jack Kirby invented the evil tyrant Darkseid nearly 50 years ago, and the villain still remains a fan-favorite today. She shoots and hits. He has no training and the essence of Nabu hasn't been in the helm since it entered into the body of the late Kent Nelson (original) which was before Erik and Linda were made the "joined" Fate. @Freefa11: So that means Darkseid wins,and I'm certain Mantis has been able to defeat Fate as well. Kent only has minimal memories of his actions as Fate. Injustice™ 2https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-gb/tid=CUSA05459_00 So even Spectre has concerns where DS is concerned. Fate is Kent Nelson. No, Fate can not defeat Darkseid. =), just ask beatbox, he was the one owning this thread anyway. He does not attack them in any way after that. Fate and Spectre were able to stop the universe from being destroyed. 1 Biography 2 Injustice: Gods Among Us 3 Injustice 2 4 Powers and Abilities 4.1 Special Moves 4.2 Other Moves 4.3 … 1 History 1.1 Injustice 1.2 Injustice 2 1.3 Arcade Ending 2 … The female Fate was stated to be at half power, and from what I can tell from the previous issues, was still quite new to being Fate and not particularly masterful or confident in her abilities. Fate has like wise drawn on the power of many god's (lords of order) to defeat high level entities. Dr Doom vs Lex Luthor- Lex Luthor . We always hear about all the awesome stuff they can do but rarely do they use it when it would come in handy. There are Two versions of Dr fate with the name Kent Nelson. The only reason they feign a surrender is because he shows them an essentially endless army of parademons, and points out that he can just keep sending wave after wave of them at the Fates until they are just overwhelmed. They were not at Desaad's mercy, they were pretty much at the mercy of what appeared to be an endless army of Parademons (although I'm not entirely certain why they couldn't try to escape via teleportation, flight, invisibility, etc). Doctor Fate, real name Kent Nelson, was a fierce and powerful sorcerer who became a member of the Justice League after the Thanagarian invasion. Nabu in his energy state has advantages that a physical Dr Fate doesn't. Who will win in a fight between Darkseid (New 52) and Doctor Fate? The Spectre was prevented from killing Darkseid, of course, but the Spectre operates under different rules from other characters. Also when the presence was "missing" Spectre was being coy around DS because he feared what he might do if he was aware that the highest power was nowhere to be found. Marvel Vs DC: The 25 Most Powerful Gods Officially Ranked. Fate can do those kinds of things (though I could swear he has), but I do think that if you were to start a "Dr. In that sense Linda was less than she could be, however this thread has the battle with Current Kent. Which, funnily enough, actually helps the retcon make a little more sense, since Desaad isn't actually a very powerful character. And even after draining his powers, Darkseid realizes that it was still insufficient to refill his full power. Honestly though, it seems like kind of bad writing to me (assuming that's what was actually going on). Often they have to build the spell to build up the power. With Hector he created the child and put hector spirit in it than aged it etc. Strange, which tends to be the assumption that is often made. Erik wasn't Dying ( he lived for quite some time afterward, and was rebirthed into a new magical life form to save humanity at the end of the Straus Run), Linda was no less a neophyte than Kent V has been in every showing he's had. cmon man, you know fate wasn't winning this six months ago, why you bump it now? He shoots and misses. He was ten when his father found Nabu's tomb in the early 1920's. This is largely basing it on the idea that a fully proficient Fate is at least roughly as learned and competent as Dr. The tower exists in all realities. Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links. Oh, and from what I hear, It was an avatar of darksied that beat fate and ms fate, the real one spoke on equal terms with the lords of chaos and order themselves to their formless faces...told them to shut up and they did. Unless you can point out a line to me that I've been missing, I'm pretty sure the Parademons had nothing to do with it, and he was already barely functional before Darkseid even showed up. I really need to find those issues someday. Trust me as someone who's collection is only missing about 7 of Dr Fates appearances (that includes golden Age with heaps of more fun comics and All Star). Darkseid is powerful enough to drain Mordru, a powerful multiversal Lord of Chaos (comparable to Nabu, the Lord of Order in Dr. Darkseid - Respect thread Conditions: Dr. Estacado. Now, I'm not saying Fate should win, I just don't think that this fight is a very good showcase of Fate's power. I like how you completely ignored the scans where DS has all the Lords of Order and Chaos basically bending over for his will (and they are the ones who Dr fate and all other DC mystics draw their power from) and focus only on the few scans where I said it was a stand in. Fate is a playable character and fallen Superhero from Injustice 2. Darkseid and Dr Fate have already fought. All he did to them was animate a stone hand to grab them, which Linda destroys. Darkseid gets knocked down again. The 10th age still seems to have the same but there is now also a price for magic. Darkseid I Believe That Doctor Fate Could Pull Off Some Pretty Insane Stuff With His Magic, But Personally I Think Darkseid's Omega Beams And Super Strength Would Eventually Overwhelm Fate. Though the Helm compels Kent to preserve this grim fate for the sake of Order, Kent’s humanity compels him to intervene on behalf of his heroic friends—and risk the unforeseeable consequenc… Unlike previous incarnations of Dr. The image in the OP is of the Kent V Nelson who is supposed to be the great grand nephew or some such of the original. Dr Strange vs Dr Fate- Dr Strange but it would be close fight. 1) Even with the retcon, it was not an avatar, it was Desaad. Faust was taken over by a powerful mystic (stated as a said the reason he waited for someone like Faust). Darkseid also has a lot of powers. If it were Dr. To watch full episodes of YJ download the DCU App.Thanks for coming to my channel! Exactly which scan shows Desaad clearly beating them? Kent V found the helmet ( or rather it found him) in 2007's 8 issue mini series countdown to mystery. Mystic characters aren't always capable of their peak feats because of how magic works in both companies. Fate). Again, not saying she is "winning" because of this, but he certainly isn't either. He … Magneto vs Vandal Savage- Savage is immortal so he wins . But as they started to charge Fate, Fate says “Forgive Me, For What I Must Do My Friends. Before Spectre beat him? I actually don't know a lot about Dr. Provide scans, or links to WoG for every claim you make. He knows the world will end—either by Brainiac’s hand, or in a war between Batman and Superman. My whole point in the Spectre thing was in countering an argument given that Nabu fared well against the Spectre so Fate should win against DS. There is the Original Kent Nelson who was the Golden Age/ Silver Age and classic Fate. He is the God of Apokolips and father of his deceased son Kalibak. Fate is generally a symbiosis between Nabu and the host, but at times Nabu has both overridden the host and been subdued and shut down by him. So my point was that a more powerful version of Fate was unable to defeat (without a plot device) one of Darkseid's lackeys mascarading as him. Although, what I find more confusing about your statement about him living for a while afterwards is that he's actually dead at the end of the issue, killed by a spear to the side, and he even has a grave and tombstone in the next issue, and Linda goes to the after life to talk to his spirit. I've never seen it used that way before. Darkseid vs Dr. I only have issues 9-12, so I kind of have to take your word for it. If anything, it should lead to the conclusion that people should simply stop bringing up this battle because it is irrelevant; neither Fate was Kent Nelson, one was a dying, one was a half-powered rookie, they weren't fighting Darkseid anyway, just Desaad, and they won. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The closest he comes is summoning a stone hand to grasp her, which she destroys almost immediately. clearly no need for the Helmof Nabu for his strength and invulnerability. Not sure if Dr. Like Batman said, if you need Darkseid taken care of use this phone number and call in Dr.Fate. Email to friends Share on Facebook - opens in a new window or tab Share on Twitter - opens in a new window or tab Share on Pinterest - opens in a new window or tab Share on Facebook - opens in a new window or tab Share on Twitter - opens in a new window or tab Share on Pinterest - opens in a new window or tab Like I said, I think a lot of people make assumptions about the Nelson Dr. Like most incarnations of the DC hero, he is made up of two individuals, a human host, namely Kent Nelson, and the god Nabu. Fate is WAY more powerful with the full helm. Since at the start of the Inza Nelson Fate run DS was casually dictating terms to all the Lords of Order and Chaos I'd say him facing one would be simple victory. It contains many magical Egyptian artifacts. In the same issue he manhandled Nabu (who at the time was in the original Kent Nelson's body and called himself Kent, not really a major feat Nabu in a mortal host was always pretty limited). Cap is clearly too much for Dick. According to the laws of Magic in the 9th age (DC) mortal mystics could only draw power through the Lords of Order and Chaos, talismans, or familiars, to draw the power through themselves would mean their destruction. Though his mortal host Kent Nelson tries to fight back. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! The same was true with Erik Straus. After he lands in Apokolips, he is only attacked by Parademons until Linda saves him. As has been shown Odin is in another league above darkseid and Fate is around equal to strange. 3rd 4th and 5th scans are from the no/half helmet era. @beatboks1: Here is what the DC Wiki says, However, in the training of Kent Nelson (20 years in pre-crisis while 1 day in post-crisis), Nabu taught Kent to use the following powers without the helmet: (goes on to say flight, strength, etc.). Darkseid has rarely faced off against such a super-power and he should be wary because Franklin is a weapon of mass destruction on a mental and physical level. You know, unless Fate is dramatically less powerful than I have been led to believe, the fact he couldn't defend himself from a single band of parademons should already suggest that he's not operating anywhere near his peak. he's also a Dr fate fan but a Darkseid one as well so he'd be the most informed on both and the least biased. Captain America Vs Nightwing. YJ is owned by WB and DC. Erik was shot once, which was when DS knocked him into the Boomtube, and after that, is not directly attacked by him again (except the stone hand, which was quickly broken, as I said). Power Distribution: Darkseid can grant individuals a fraction of his Omega Force or create new powerful minions such as Omega Superman who could match Dr Fate, Stayne who could match Takion and even Eclipso who could match Spectre. Sign Up Login. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Yeah, one of those things where I guess depending on the host and story determines who has more control or power I suppose. They have been the result of the alterations that the entity Nabu has done on the bodies of the hosts who have worn the helmet. Scans 4-6 are the Fates having a hard time fighting off a pack of Parademons. Which is fine, and I don't think I ever said otherwise, I just don't think that a single retconned, PIS instance that didn't even involve the right characters and wasn't even being presented properly, should be brought up as the be-all-end-all of this battle. I already pointed out that the fever had been with him for sometime. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > Dr. Know what I mean? Press J to jump to the feed. Before that he had none. To me it looks like they run like so: Scan 2: Darkseid attacks Linda and misses. 2nd of your scans, last panel. It was actually retconned into being Desaad, not a doppelganger. Doctor Fate Vs Superman And Martian Manhunter! I forgot to include the first one, but it is still essentially as I said, you are just needlessly putting more emphasis on Darkseid. If you look at for example Dr Strange defeating Shuma-Gorath he did so by drawing on the power of the realms of his enemy. Either way, it looks like Kent doesn't have the showings to contend with Darkseid. He is shot 3 times. In fact as she was fueled by her love for Erik she probably had more. He then trained him for almost 20 years in the ways of ancient sectrest before he had his debut. Had been for at least 3-4 issues. @Ancient_0f_Days: Did you actually read the thread? Magic isn’t a weakness for Superman, anymore than it’s a weakness for Doctor Fate. So basically, before the retcon, we had a PIS low-showing for Darkseid, and after the retcon, we have a PIS high-showing for Desaad. Lords of Magic like Dr.Fate and Mordru regularly humiliate large teams Darkseid would be hard-pressed to even take on, much less trash. Normally Himon and Metron would be fairly reliable testimony, but in this case, they are just wrong. Strange, for example, I'd think he could just teleport away or open a portal home or something (or just turn invisible or intangible). Darkseid does not actually overpower them, damage them, or force them to do anything. Absolutely, which I already covered in the simple line " According to the laws of Magic in the 9th age (DC) mortal mystics could only draw power through the Lords of Order and Chaos, talismans, or familiars,". Though it depends on which Fate we're talking. Hmmm, I think if it's Classic SA Fate, he can take it or perhaps pure Nabu since he did hold his own for a little while at least vs. Spectre can take Darkseid. A doppelganger in modern vernacular only refers to any double or look-alike of a person not the traditional folklore meaning. Erik was shown to be very ill for several issues, and it was stated by Nabu that he was dying. Living Tribunal Vs Spectre. Classic fate would wipe the floor with him. 1.The Helm itself is not "superbad" it merely allows the wearer to draw power from the Lords of Order. Fate. Fate So everything a Darkseid emanation can do scales to the True Darkseid, but to a larger degree. In the case of the Original Nabu altered Kent Nelson turning him from a child to a man and making him never age and giving him the powers. I'm curious to see how the new 52 levels Fate and Spectre once we see more into them. Fate in late 1987, and the story arc in question was printed late 1989, so two years real time. All it shows is political power, not personal power. The only places he could work vast magic in fact. Nabu however isn't Dr fate. He may not win, but given what I've seen when both went up against Spectre, clearly Nabu gave him a much harder time then Darkseid did. 9 SQUIRREL GIRL Squirrel Girl has taken on the likes of Doctor Doom, but her biggest accomplishment comes in the form of dropping Thanos. On top of that, Erik was already dying, and Linda was explicitly stated to be at half strength (at least for the first part of the battle; looks like they might have changed that after holding hands). I think Dr. Based on supposed power sets, Dr Fate. Also, I know Nabu is the source of Fate's power, but more or less the same character when the helmet is on someone, it's Nabu controlling the host to a degree. The other common assumption to me seems to be that Kent Nelson is kind of viewed as being the quintessential Dr. Darkseid on the other hand has access to his full level of power from the outset of every encounter. 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